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Eric Levai:
Welcome to counterintelligence. This is Eric Levai.. Today, we're joined by Daryl Lamont Jenkins, the founder of One People's Project which monitors the activities of white supremacists forensic news. Thanks. Our patrons Andrei Dunker, Angela Jackson, Zacharias Z-Score Kaminsky, Sacha Millstone, Craig Pierce, Jim Rice and Greg Schneider support forensic news and counterintelligence on Patreon. Without further ado, here's the show.
Eric Levai:
Daryle Lamont Jenkins. Welcome back to counterintelligence.
Daryle Lamont Jenkins:
Thank you for having me again.
Eric Levai:
It's so great to have you back. Although I you know, I'm kind of sad in a way that I, you know, just the things that are going on in this country. And, of course, I'm I'm so pleased to talk to you again after our last interview. But at the same time, I don't know. Do you feel the same way that things haven't gotten better since we spoke?
Eric Levai:
You know, I think that things are going exactly is in many respects, all of us might have expected them to go. Given this situation, have they gotten worse? You know, things have been so bad, you don't know what they are, but worse or better.
That's so I'm kind of like, thanks for calling. Yeah. Going and.
And the only thing that we're just hoping for is that they will stop going the way they have been will soon and depend on us.
Yeah. And what we do in the next couple of years, it really does.
And you know you know, Darla, I was sort of gonna ask this at the end but maybe I'll just ask. Now I mean how you've been doing this a long time. And for the listener, of course, you're the founder of One People's Project, as you so memorably said, you monitor the comedy stylings of hate mongers. Is that is that true?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I enjoy it every last minute of it.
And that's that's that's what I so enjoy about talking to you genuinely, you know, have a great sense of humor, which is important when dealing with this kind of thing. But so things really you've been doing this one over 20 years now, 30 years.
Thirty thirty one for thirty years. When people started will be celebrating its 20th next year.
That's unbelievable. So in the collective picture of your career, have I mean, have things gotten worse just in the big picture?
No. No. No, they have not gotten worse. They have gotten better. OK.
And I mean, I think that's one of the that's one of the things that I think really people wrestle with. Have they gotten worse? No. It's better. No. It was whatever's going on now is nothing compared to what it's been like, maybe 30, 40, 50 years ago because it was mainstream and no one thought of it. Reagan was like that, as we have recently learned with what those tapes that came out with him talking to Nixon. But Reagan. But even before even while he was president, we saw that he was just as bad as what Donald Trump is. About now, the only difference is, at the very least, he he had a group, the head of an entire generation, that had his back. For the most part because they all thought the same way. There was an establishment that was in place. Donald Trump is coming in at a time when a lot of what that establishment was, a, Reagan has been dismantled and is still being dismantled. What we see in Donald Trump and I might have said this before, what we see in the supporters is the fact that now just look the Hail Mary. They're trying to bring that back, but they can't. As long as we are here. Right.
It's and when I talk about we talk about not just anything, but anybody out there that has grown up with better and don't want to see it gone.
And so basically there they have an uphill battle. They just are in a position where they can cause some damage. Why they go uphill.
Yeah. And, you know, speaking of Reagan, I'm certainly not going to repeat.
I mean, there's many courts that those tapes aside, which came out, which were which were not pleasant to hear. There's courts on the record that were very disturbing, none of which I'm going to repeat on the show. He openly said those things. He made memorable visits to whatever. Like, I'm not going to. You know what I'm talking about. I'm not going to rehash Reagan's racism.
But I kind of thought when I asked you that question that you would say things had gotten better, which I was. You know, I'm happy to hear that. Of course, you've been on the ground and you're actually real quick just for those who may not have heard our last interview. Could you briefly tell people about one people's project and what you do?
Well, we're. We're an organization that basically is on the ground reporting on researching, monitoring all these hate mongers, not just necessarily racist hate mongers, but anybody that's going after the LGBTQ community, the Muslim community, people of color, of course, and just straight up right wingers that do not believe that the rest of us have rights.
We go after them and we fight. And they are pretty proactive and trying to encourage others to take the information that we have. We compile on our website, one people project that column and I'd have knocked back on ideas the elect. We try to tell people, you know, there's information here that you can use to keep these characters from going any further with their agenda. And we've been pretty successful in that over the past 20 years.
Yeah, you sure have. And for some of you who may who want to see Daryl's work, there's a great documentary. It's actually How I Found Out Cold. All right. Day of Rage on Netflix. I believe the real age of rage, right? Yeah. You guys got to check this documentary Dancer, not a dummy.
It was easy for those of us at this point.
Yeah. Speaking of which. So since we last spoke there, well, in the last week, there were two confirmed domestic terrorist shootings, El Paso and Gilroy. I'm not going to list the rest, but I made an informal list.
The mega bomber, Austin Bomber, Tree of Life, etc. So I want to ask you, just in the short term, you know, until the next election, I mean, I'm not trying to laugh, but how how much worse can this get?
Do you think that in that regard now we're going to see more? Yeah, we're getting nuts about that. That's a sad thing. Yes, things have gotten better, but in that regard, they mean to cause some harm.
And that's one of the reasons what really ticks me off when it comes to the like. Well, I do think they're for when they sit there and try to deflect, try to distort the concerns that people have about those shootings and who we are concerned about.
What the hell do they think they are? Try to tell the American people that we have to subject ourselves to that. What are they trying to pull? I mean, they know that these folks are our agenda driven to kill a lot of American citizens and they don't. They're right. It's not about the guns. It's about they have the same damn agenda that those shooters have. They just don't pull the trigger. And we have to recognize that that's how dangerous the right can be. It really is. I mean, when you think about the fact that. A couple of months before all of this, we had the shootings in New Zealand at the Christchurch shooting, and he had a manifesto in which he said there was going to be more coming. So then we got to go. Roy, I'll go with California. There's a manifesto. We get to El Paso. That dude has a manifesto. It's all right. We can't say for sure. We can't say for sure that all three are connected. We could definitely say that there's a coincidence. But the bottom line is they definitely all three of them have an agenda that we have to take notice of. And we have to do something about it. And we can. The longer we keep all the people that are trying to keep us from doing so out of the picture.
Right. One of the the media absurdities of even the political situation is that we outnumber the bad people like by a huge amount. And that's why it's so absurd that this is even happening to me. It's not like this is like a 50/50 thing. Most most people in this country are good people. They don't want this nonsense.
No, they do not. And they've made it clear over and over again. If you know the best example of that, the best example of that for folks who don't go into the streets aren't as politically active as you and I might be, the best example of how they are getting sick of it is by watching the election and seeing not what the party necessarily, you know, they are voting for, but what kind of demographic they're voting for.
Right. I mean, I take a look at the fact that you have two black women. Yes, they're Democrats. There are running things.
What is the difference above Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert? And one of those women, one of those women had her son shot and killed because. So the white guy to Saddam thought that he was playing his music too loud.
Yes. Right. Remember, the Jordan Davis is his name. By the way. Yes.
And she's in Congress now. And it was a it was a hard slog. And you only got there. And by the smallest of margins. And the person she was running against is going after going after that seat again next time around.
Right. But the fact that they were in the first place that says to the rest of us, this is what we want.
We are going to fight this in some fashion. Right. And that's something we stand up to take notice of. I mean, we do have this. We do have it. So we just got to make sure we keep it.
I absolutely agree. You know, President Trump is a white nationalist. We spoke about this last time at that time. We you and I were kind of in agreement. But now it just seems in the last three days, I don't know, the national media seems to have come on board. I'm not sure how I feel about, I guess, better late than never. My question is what? This is a very broad question. But as a white nationalist, what do you think? Do you think Trump really wants?
You know, I think basically Trump really wants the society that he that he grew up with. Really. I mean, we're talking about Reagan and everyone but this. But Reagan's generation, even though he was low down the breaking, I mean, Trump was raised by that generation. Trump grew up rather privileged and as an elitist. I mean, I'll be honest with you. Yes, he's done that. Yes, he's a white supremacist. Yes, he's a racist. But I really do think that as a leader, it's what motivates motivates him more than anything else.
Money. Yeah. It's all it's all about that almighty dollar, because that's all he knows.
So to be honest with you, I think what he wants is a world that makes that OK.
And he's not going to get it, at least not without the rest of us coming on board.
So, you know. And that threatens him.
Know that threatens everybody around him. And I'll be perfectly honest, speaking with everybody about it while we can talk about Trump all day long. In truth, we have a whole bunch of people around him and his supporters that are even worse. Right. There are probably even more of the more dangerous because one we don't know each and every last one of them, Mark, until they're going to be around long after he's gone.
Right. And we've got to be mindful of that.
We sure do. And I'd really like to emphasize for those listening. I'm working on sort of a little bit of a long term. I don't know, maybe it'll be like a database. But I I just the other day started making an informal list of white nationalists, or at least adjacent to that who have been either working for this White House or have visited. And it's I think when people see that altogether, it's it's fairly shocking. I mean, I know you monitor this stuff. Do you agree with it?
Yes.
And I think we ought send with the people crossing over here and there is not on it already.
Daryl, the man's on vacation. I can't I can't bother him. Yes. Yeah.
All right, Bob, I never. I mean, that's one guy who said never rest. Yeah, well, most it should never be allowed a moment of sleep ever.
Yeah. He's on what's obviously a kind of a mandatory that it's you know, it's the usual scam they do over there when somebody goes a little too far.
Oh, you know what? I'm sorry, I. Actually, this is this for me. I did not know. Notice that.
So you my gosh, not know. There is no information.
I don't know where he went on his way to him like Laura did a couple of months ago. We've seen all the same crap.
I'm just so pleased that I knew one thing about white nationalists that you didn't know this. That'll be the only time this ever happens, I guarantee you.
Oh, no, no, no. I'm going to have fun with this when we get off the phone.
Yeah, yeah.
By the way, I pay good money. Has he ever invited you on this show? Because I would love to see that.
I wouldn't go on to tell you. No, no. Just I mean, I have friends to go on. And so I would think, you know what? I'll be honest with you. I would love to go on this show just to call him out for somebody to put out one particular stupid article he has written about me or you, Lisa. You had his Daily Caller. People write about me.
But the truth of the matter is, I don't think I could be on any Fox News program, period.
Yeah, I don't. I think that there's. I mean, I'm gonna respect that. People have been talking about boycotting Fox News. Avoid Fox News. Don't go on Fox News Sunday. Okay, fine. I won't do it.
A lot of it, and I think that in a way and I'm not going to do that either. Yeah.
A lot of people have been getting on my case or appearing on right wing programs and I'm glad I'm starting to believe them at this point.
I am going to start pulling back on things like that because I don't think it's going to serve any purpose. I mean, I've been on I've been on some one or two of them over the past year. So I'm not really I'm not really feeling that I could do any good, especially now that been over the past two and a half years. My profile has become large enough where I don't need to use them as a forum.
I know I can go places that are friendly like this joke and express who express exactly what my concerns are, what people think and why I have those concerns.
I think they have their little debate at the end and the back and forth. But to be perfectly honest with you, that's only making them richer. And I can't do that if I'm done.
I agree with you. I have very mixed feelings. We do want to expand. Of course, the show and forensic news where we are. The show is based now. But but we do I I look I know these people. I know I could get them on, but I do not want to turn this into the idea is to go to a higher plane of, you know, intellectual discussion and not go into that. On the other hand, I'll tell you what, if I could if I get to one of those shows, I mean, it's going to be ugly enough for me.
So, yeah, I mean, I could think of a couple of shows that come television probably. I'm not going to drop any names right now because I don't think that's fair. But I could think of some shows that if I were if somebody wanted me to.
If a producer called me up to go, I would like to have you on this program. I I'm have to say no, because I know that I'm either going to be kicked off the show or I'm going to walk off. And what's the point? Right. What's the point? I'm not here. This is not a circuit that doesn't make for good television, but I'm not here for good television. I'm here to make you happy. I'm here. I'm here to tell us a look. We can do better. I can't tell anybody that we can do better on the show. That's detrimental to everything. That's better.
Right. Exactly. Yeah.
You've been monitoring these white nationalists for over 30 years.
I just want to ask you, in a general sense, what makes someone how did they go down that road? What links them attracted to that process?
I think, you know, we all come from different walks of life, lots of things. And I would just say that I think aside from the fact I I will always say that there are always these people that just some get frustrated with life and destroying to make their lives worth a damn and the wrong people got to them and so on.
But why do people feel that they need to go in this particular direction in the first place? I mean, it's more than just indoctrination.
The thing about conservatism and this is where I stop being a little bit positive in regard to that, is that they are trying, sir. They're trying to maintain traditions.
There is really nothing wrong with that unless you are talking about traditions that need to be whole. And unfortunately for conservatism, they try to maintain traditions to a fault to where really their fault we can. There are just some that need to go and they will not allow themselves let them go. And it turns in to what we are dealing with today with conservatism. And it ties into this kind of conflict.
Rand.
He tried and remembered that when he tried to remember that in the long run, try to remember that for the most part, people are just trying to maintain the world that they are that they are used to. But by the same token. You're looking at people getting hurt the way the world is or was. And you know that you cannot continue on as they do. And that's unfortunate that we have to get into these battles. But that's the way you go.
Yeah. Yeah. It is unfortunate. It's like it's kind of like this whole thing. It's like a Western movie, like no one. You know, the hero in every Western never asked for the fight. Like, not that I find myself wondering that. Like, why? You know, life is hard enough without these these people. Like what?
Right. Really?
You start dealing with. Well, I think the thing is that really ticks me off about it is that much of what we're fighting whenever we're fighting them is. When we get into debates with them and getting into discussions with them is different. There are these narratives that are basically fairy tales that they come up with about the conspiracy theories.
The whole claim to two on and all this is like, what are you guys doing? Yeah. You're telling us right now that you are.
That you know, that your beliefs are bunk and that you don't care so long as you get your way. That's how you get to. That's not the way we're going to live. That's not the way we're going to do things.
And the fact that, you know, that your law really ticks me off, that you are putting an entire society, an entire nation through all of this. Right.
But what really ticks me off by doing that is that we haven't stopped them yet and doesn't really honestly know what you thought.
Yeah, those people were floating something the other day about some of the work we do, a forensic news. It was it was it was, I guess, a little more interesting when it's all of sudden it's floated about like, you know, people you work with and you're like, well, these people are really nuts. You know, it's been which I really want to ask you about the online aspect to this. How does you know every one of these almost every one of these these these domestic terrorists has use for Chan H. Chan? What do you think the role is of these tech company, of these what is the role of of the Internet and the people who run this and stopping this madness?
We play both in and the fact that they have they hold all the cards that they need to simply stop it. One of the things that's really hurting me and I'm just checking this out. Bear with me. As I say, there sure is. The thing with CloudFlare now, when CloudFlare CloudFlare shut down a can in the wake of the most recent things that have been happening, because so because they realized that a lot of the stuff that is going on, a lot of stuff is basically.
Proliferating the garbage that has been happening and the shootings and the murders has been basically inspired by what folks have been talking about on H. They're basically telling you they're going to kill folks on a tin ear, right? So CloudFlare pulled this support from a chain and everybody's saying, OK, yeah, great, we love it.
And and I do, too. Do not get me wrong. But here's the problem. They did it in shop there at the Charlottesville, too.
I mean, they stop protecting the Daily Stormer and The Daily. I had a hard time trying to find a a platform at the Clapper did that and my thinking is, OK, do we so.
They know that they have all the cards, that they know that these neo-Nazi groups are are using their platform and they have responded accordingly. Whenever things have happened that a cause of death or some sort of destruction and mass, why is it that if they know all these things, do we have to keep telling them to take these Nazis off of their plant? Why do we have to wait for someone to die before they do it? In the case of CloudFlare, it changes me because they've already said that they are not supporting neo-Nazis and we're attacking them doing it again.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, we can cheer on a two hour class where we're shutting down a chant. But why was a chant up in the first place? If you were catering to neo-Nazi people, were warning them about a church door in Charlottesville. Right.
I mean, how much money do this before? Oh, great question.
I mean, I'm just curious, do you know them? Everything is usually comes back to money and immorality. How much money do these companies get from each unit? I mean, is it worth it?
Makes you wonder. Consider that a Adam was a very popular Web site and people were frequent it all the time. But if it's causing people to get killed and you are going to respond this way, why don't you just mother play up this right and stop giving a platform to neo-Nazis, period. Why wait until somebody else gets killed before you take action? Because I tell you something. If you that this is what's going to happen and you will allow it to happen. You're valuable at that point. This thinking about the press it YouTube, for example. They say that they take the arm.
They say that they take class. They'd be platform neo-Nazis. They take neo-Nazi videos off of their offer. They channel off of their Web site. Why or why is. And I'm going to use in a red eye still there. They make no bones about the fact that that's who they are. And yet they still have a very active channel to talk about how they make money off of all of these channels. Well, that's a very perfect example of that, because they bring them a lot of visitors.
You and I are going to have to wait until red eye causes somebody to get killed before they turn a bit more.
I just learned a new name is after this all. Well, I'll try to not click on YouTube, but I'll have to see who that person is when I say explain what red.
I said red ice is a kind of like media outlet for neo-Nazis, the neo-Nazis.
It's basically a news line and they're there to interview and give some sort of platform to the various neo-Nazis around the world.
And they were there covering the RNC lie. They were there covering various white supremacist conferences. Blige. So it's one of the reasons why they look if they are this prominent. And YouTube is not taking them down. That's the problem. And American genocide is still up on YouTube as well.
You know, you and I spoke about this last time, as I recall, if I recall correctly, I mean, we were both in absolute agreement about everyone's First Amendment rights, but also in agreement that these private businesses. You're not the First Amendment is a government protection. You're not obligated to host a neo-Nazi. You're not obligated. Here's a good one.
Here's the thing. That's exactly the case at this point. I will tell you that all the while, we all would like to put the numbers to the point that we will extend those defenses away from the government and in general public in general society.
The truth of the matter is, no, you are not obligated to to give neo-Nazis or or hateful people a platform or people that cause harm, a platform. You are not obligated.
That's why, incidentally, when we saw the proud boys and Laura Bomer and Milo, you Annapolis and hold their little rally, or aren't you? On July 6, demanding that they get their platforms back, I'm looking at him going. You've got a lot of nerve to tell her that most of you guys call yourselves libertarians.
Yeah, the grift. The grift is strong with those winds. Whip is very strong.
But there was no there was you as someone who's been confronting these people for so long and you're.
Just for anyone listening, I mean, what is the best way to confront these people, white nationalists?
Well, I can tell you right now, the best way is if basically as we are doing platforming, you see the platforming.
If we take all of their resources away from them, not just their social networking platforms, but also the platforms that they use to generate money. I mean, PayPal was a part of that system. That app is asking them, do everything you can to make sure that these individuals that are basically literally calling for civil war are not allowed to fund that war.
I mean, we can have the argument about whether or not it's moral, but then just clap back and say it's been the maximum.
Yes. And so. And I would just say that even further than that.
I would remind people that. In addition to that, we also have to stop. Giving some sort of like tepid defense, some sort of like. Backhanded defense for them.
I think that I think that a lot of what we are dealing with right now is done because a lot of us in the mainstream, a lot of people in the mainstream will not step to them and say, you need to stop this nonsense. Right. So for the moment we start doing that, the moment we start being proactive against them, even more so than we have been sitting in a doorway.
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm a big proponent of just, you know, look, there's a reason why in you know, deep inside all of us is as evolved beings, public shaming is. There's a there's a reason why that exists. And while it can be bad, it's also valuable, like what happened again with this guy. This Equinox thing, whatever his name is, Ross.
Yes. I'm the gentleman that's making money for Trump.
Right. So. Yeah. Yeah. No, go ahead.
You know, I forgot a. But yes, I'm a lot of people my mom slap him back at him for trying to raise money for Trump's campaign. That's the kind of thing that we have to. We have to do that. Really? Yes. We've got to basically tell him that there is really no quarter for it. We see that we've seen the damage he has done. There was no excuse for us allowing this this territory another four years in the White House. There's no reason not for supporting him in any fight that people saw. And if you are supporting him, then that's it. We won't support you because you are going to get us all killed. Right.
Yeah. It's to me, it's actually the whole Trump presidency to me has always been as as much as I have been involved in the national security aspect in research, that kind of thing. It's to me, it's always been about public safety. He's dangerous and these people are dangerous and it doesn't matter. Look, I'm a I'm just a regular looking white dude. Nobody's safe in public.
And the main reason why we got to do that. Because like I said before, is going to be going in hopefully next year, but possibly in five. Just the idea.
Oh, Jesus won't ever. He's gone one.
I don't want anybody to think that just because he's gone, that the threat is over and to death, because we still got to deal with this crowd that allowed him to be there.
And they're going to be younger. They're still going to try to do more than just what Trump did. And we got to be what we got to neutralize it while we still care.
We actually still like that. That's why he hasn't put himself in a position where he's untouchable. Yes. Yes. I mean, it might look that way, but so long as we have breath enough, so long as we can talk on platforms such as this without the FBI putting down our door, as long as we are still in that position, we are still in control.
Well, we just got to make sure that we that we just make sure that we hold onto that we all are staring at the direction that we need.
So, you know, I just heard a knock on my door just like. No, I was kidding.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. And, you know, like, this is the country that, you know, landed at Normandy and, you know, defeated the Nazis. Like, we're not like we're not going backward here. I don't think so.
We're not going to go backwards. But let's be real. A lot of America did not see what. What happened in Nazi Germany? I mean, it wasn't on our shore.
What was on our shores, however, was the subjugation of people of color, black people, Japanese. You know what we have? We are not innocent in that regard, and that's what happened. So. We have we have answered this call before. We should not have to answer it again. We know better and we are going to do better, but we got what we got to do. That thing is stop waiting for the next person to die. That's right. I mean, we got another mass shooting around the corner. We've had several mass shootings around the corner. What are we going to do to make sure that they aren't going to be dead? Many more, if any, at all. What are we gonna do?
Yeah, it sounds like a phone in the hands of these characters. Absolutely. And for those who you know, for everyone listening, it sounds like you think for just for the regular citizen, it's it's it's voting in the right candidate. You think that's the best strategy for the right?
In many respects, I tell you right now. It's certainly being proactive because long after you cast their vote, you still gotta be out there doing something. You got to be. You've got to educate yourself to the issues. Educate your neighbors on the issues.
Basically correspond with your community about how we are going to go forward as a community. I mean, there are things that you can do that go beyond your vote. Yes, voting is important, but it's not the only thing you can do.
And the reason why I say that is because when you have those caucuses right now, we should have gotten rid of Trump. Several years ago, he should be gone. We. He is not a president that we had voted for for real.
If we have a system where a very bad press that has gotten people killed on a whim and that doesn't care that we never voted for, it still allowed to stay in power. We have a problem with the process. We need to correct the process. And yes, maybe some voting would help with that. But the bottom line is we need to take them, take things to the court. We need our lawyers on board. You need to read the laws in our society to step up and start making sure that we all are true to what is in numbered in the Constitution. That's why me. So so yes, voting is important, but not putting feet to the fire before and after that vote is going to go a long way.
Not long away. I couldn't agree more.
Darrell, I just want to see one more thing. Can you just I know you were talking about some things you're doing. You want to tell. I don't know anything. You want to let people know what's going on with your one peoples or anything else?
Well, I could tell you on a personal level, I mean, you talk about. All right. Eight or eight, the rage being out there is on Netflix. If you are on it, it might be in your local theater right now. This movie called Can look for a movie called Again. It's a movie about a neo-Nazi that we formed that I helped reform. His name is Brian Weidner. Danny Bell plays them. Might Mike Colter, who played Luke Cage, plays me, but it's out. And see, it is now or you can get it on demand. Then there's a bunch of other things that I am doing out there that we will see. I'm out there speaking to folks.
You might see me in your neighborhood someday if you don't see me in your neighborhood. Available.
Jackets. Check me out at one people's project. Bascombe or Ida Fox back home. HBO, let's back up. And if you're looking for me on Twitter or Instagram or Venmo. Exactly. I'd be Lamont Jenkins on all three of platforms. And yes, we do take donations where a Bible once a three and we could use your help. So that's it in a nutshell.
Exactly. We got to keep we've got to keep pushing ahead. And everyone would love singing in their neighborhood, except, of course, for those those that we were fighting who I'm sure don't like seeing you in their neighborhood.
And that's why we go there all the time.
I I got to be that. I cannot get enough of someone. I've watched that documentary so many times. Just. I just really enjoy it when you are confronting those people. It's just a lot.
You see the smile on my face.
I know that it's like not supposed to be funny, but it really is funny, isn't it?
I mean, it is I mean, I smile because I because I know we're women, you know. I mean, a lot of people don't see it that way. As I said before, what we are. I mean, what it is all is not lost. This is basically that death row. And they know that society is against them. And that's why they don't care if they're going against the rest of us. I mean, it's not about us. They don't care about that. They don't care about what we are supposed to be doing. They just want to do what they want to do. And the reason why now smile, because we're not letting them.
That's right. And if I could just say one more thing. Are you. I'm sure you're familiar with a green shirt guy from the other day.
Did you have an ad? Come on, even if he's laughing.
That is the key to everything. And I mean, that completely suit when I saw that just a man mocking this, these, you know, this this, you know, whatever they were the protester, again, you know, Trump supporter, immigration. It was more effective than any speech. I mean, it just it was right there. And that's the key. Yeah.
And that's exactly the reason why it was effective, because it wasn't even an attention. A lot of what that that was a part of the silliness.
People thought of this too funny for me to keep it in.
Exactly. Darrell emerging in that, you know, you got elaborate drama.
Jenkins has been so great talking to you and counterintelligence. And I really hope we can do it again soon. Thank you for listening. Follow forensic news on Twitter at forensic NEWSNIGHT. Counterintelligence is an intel pod. My personal account is Eric Levai. support forensic news on Patriot. Subscribe to counterintelligence. Everywhere you listen to podcasts, this is Eric Levai. and this is counterintelligence.
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